And There Goes The “ISI vs U.S. Intelligence” Myth — Updated

First to shatter was the “No Drones bases” myth, next to shatter was “No Blackwater” myth, the other day “No US Soldiers Here” myth was shattered, and today goes the “ISI vs. Intelligence” myth…

US, Pakistan capture Mullah Baradar
WASHINGTON: The Taliban’s top military commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, has been captured in Karachi in a joint raid by Pakistani and US spy agencies, a US official said, confirming a report of the capture in The New York Times….

Officially, of course, there are

  • Still no drone bases here,
  • No Blackwater here,
  • No US Soldiers on the ground here, and
  • ISI and U.S. spy agencies are still adversaries

🙂

(UPDATE TO THE UPDATE BELOW, APRIL 22, 2010:This story now stands FULLY CONFIRMED)

UPDATE: Appears this “success” might not be a success at all. “the capture of such a ‘big fish’” being defined as “a strategic victory” might only be a double-cross. Was Mulla Baradar “captured” after he was in Karachi on the invitation of those very ‘intelligence agencies’ for holding of ‘peace’ talks? (what in the world is the military commander of the Talibans doing in Karachi was the first question that came to my mind)  Well, you decide…

Mullah Baradar: friend or foe?

The Afghan authorities confirmed on Tuesday reports that the Taliban’s second-in-command, Mullah Baradar, has been arrested in Pakistan. But while the West considers the capture of such a ‘big fish’ a strategic victory, our correspondent points out that he was also the key to a possible diplomatic solution to the conflict.
……….

Gain or loss?
Sources within Western intelligence agencies say that Mullah Baradar was previously in Dubai for talks. Others say that President Karzai sometimes ensured that Mullah Baradar was able to cross the border, while the mullah at times did the president a favour.

This morning I was awoken by a phone call informing me that Mullah Baradar had been arrested. Many analysts consider this positive news. This will weaken the Taliban and is clearly a military success. However this is a short-term gain. But what does it mean for Kabul’s ambitious plans to reach a peace agreement with the Taliban? After all, wasn’t Mullah Baradar the key to peace in Afghanistan?

Certainly it is clear from this that Baradar is a party to the on-going negotiations between West and Taliban. It also becomes clear that he was traveling around here and there holding talks (so his being in Karachi is no mystery any more). But why arrest him? Did he not agree to one of the ‘offers”?

UPDATE #2 (March 20, 2010): Last couple of days we have had confirmation upon confirmation that Mullah Baradar was not hiding in a cave but fully involved in negotiations with the West (was it UN only?) and Karzai.

First MSNBC reported that “before his arrest, Mullah Baradar was reportedly in secret talks with Kabul” which was confirmed by the denial of Karzai’s spokesman: “There was no direct contact between the government of Afghanistan and Mullah Baradar.” It also reported:

Karzai “was very angry” when he heard that the Pakistanis had picked up Baradar with an assist from U.S. intelligence, the Associated Press reported that an aide to Karzai had said. Besides the ongoing talks, he said Baradar had “given a green light” to participating in a three-day peace jirga that Karzai is hosting next month.

It goes on to add:

Talking with the Taliban is gaining traction in Afghanistan as thousands of U.S. and NATO reinforcements are streaming in to reverse the Taliban’s momentum. That has prompted Pakistan and others to stake out their positions on possible reconciliation negotiations that could mean an endgame to the eight-year war.

The capture was part of a U.S.-backed crackdown in which the Pakistanis also arrested several other Afghan Taliban figures along the porous border between the two countries, after years of being accused by Washington of doing little to stop them.

Far from expressing gratitude, members of Karzai’s administration were quick to accuse Pakistan of picking up Baradar either to sabotage or gain control of talks with the Taliban leaders.

Another theory is that Baradar, deemed more pragmatic than other top Taliban leaders, was detained to split him from fellow insurgents. McChrystal said recently that it was plausible that Baradar’s arrest followed an internal feud and purge among Taliban leaders.

There is also speculation that Baradar’s arrest was just lucky — even unintentional.

(Of course Pakistani security officers are latching on to this last one saying it was “a lucky accident” — and of course for that very reason I’ll say it proves it was anything but that. Had this been true, they NEVER would have admitted it and beaten their chest for launching a successful operation. Meanwhile, it is also being used to push the spin that indeed there is Taliban presence in Karachi).

Second, UN envoy Kai Eide, who stepped down from the post earlier this month, not only “confirmed for the first time that he had been holding talks with senior Taliban figures and said they started around a year ago“:

But the diplomat said the detentions had a ‘negative’ effect on attempts to find a political solution to the eight-year-old Afghan war and suggested Pakistan had deliberately tried to undermine the negotiations.

He also said there were now many channels of communication with the Taliban, including with representatives of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

“The effect of (the arrests), in total, certainly, was negative on our possibilities to continue the political process that we saw as so necessary at that particular juncture,” he said. “The Pakistanis did not play the role they should have played. They must have known about this,” said Mr Eide.

“I don’t believe these people were arrested by coincidence. They must have known who they were, what kind of role they were playing – and you see the result today.”

Asked about the level of contact in the talks, Mr Eide told the BBC: “We met senior figures in the Taliban leadership and we also met people who have the authority of the Quetta Shura to engage in that kind of discussion.”

Third, it is being reported today that Karzai’s spokesman now saysWe confirm the negative impact of the arrests on the peace process that the Afghan government has initiated.” “He also confirmed that the former UN envoy to Afghanistan, Kai Eide, had held peace talks with Taliban figures and said Eide had kept the Afghan government informed of his actions.”
(Of course both Pakistan Foreign Office and the Taliban have rejected these claims.)

Trophy Baradar on display

Side Note: I find it hilarious the way Pakistan is trying to show it has balls by pretending to turning down US request to hand over Baradar. What makes it even funnier is that they say “No we will not hand over Baradar to US BUT we will hand him over to Afghanistan

Related:
From last year’s Newsweek, Mullah Baradar: In His Own Words
(Was this a build-up of Baradar?)

Another wild conspiracy theory is aired in UAE:

The mystery of Baradar and Gadahn: a new ‘End Game’?

One of the most prominent is that Baradar arranged his own capture to negotiate with the Americans, who presumably would arrange for the demise of the Taliban leader Mullah Omar before organising an “escape” for Baradar. Meanwhile, his “confessions” ensure the capture or elimination of hardliners who might pose a challenge to negotiations.

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13 Responses to “And There Goes The “ISI vs U.S. Intelligence” Myth — Updated”


  1. 1 Project Humanbeingsfirst.org February 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    And There Goes The “ISI vs U.S. Intelligence” Myth

    It also unequivocally unmasks all the websites and sayanim who work for the intelligence apparatus in civilian clothing. Just see which one’s maintain that axiom “ISI and U.S. spy agencies are still adversaries”!

    Thanks! You are doing a terrific job on this simple no-frills website!

    I wish there were more Pakistanis who used their head. Then there’d be far fewer “baboos” – right? Or is that orthogonal to having brains and more a function of self-respect?

    Best,
    Zahir Ebrahim
    Project Humanbeingsfirst.org

  2. 2 Adnan Arshad Mansoori February 16, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Whatever Indian Participants tried to paint Americans, Brits, Israeli & now for the last 3 years Indian Role at Afghanistan at various forums as if such Role is very much appreciated at Afghanistan moreover this role is very remarkable over-there.

    According to reliable sources they were welcome at Northern Afghanistan tentatively 15 to 17% of Local Population although accepted but with some serious reservations Indians Presence mostly War Lords or Opium Cultivators or their associates rest of Afghans they deadly hatred with Indians as a result every 2nd Month these Americans,Nato & Indians are Killed brutally over there. Moreover as we know Obama needs to start earning his keep. He already got overpaid with the Nobel prize for doing nothing so now he has to show before his nation & at other Western Countries that he can lead the world supposed only superpower who is right now on the road namely Af-Pak mind it this Road directly Leads to Zero-Power.

    You all must know & realize who spreaded too much unbearable Philosophy Cum Analysis here-at above who have forgotten this fact of the only matter that Obama & his Administration — believe me they all are just declared certified Nut Case as you Indians, Brits, Americans & Jews quiet Underestimated to Pakistan & Afghanistan you all are just Smart, Sensible & Far Sighted only in Indian & Jewish Hollywood Based Movies — But as far as Pakistani ISI or Mullah Omar & Co. are concerned — they are really Extra-Ordinary Smart & Far Sighted they just remain Silent for the last eight years but as & when realized the position of HIGH TIME has come, as right now Americans & Brits have been Trapped into their own Net Pakistani Army Tabled the Pre-Conditions at Brussels – Belgium at Nato HQ i.e. — “To FINISH the ENTIRE INDIAN ROLE at Afghanistan” rather I must declare to the same as Gen. Kiyani put the Prime Condition which was comprised only on One Point — “that Until & Unless Indians are not GET LOST from Afghanistan We Pakistanis are not ready to PLAY our Due Role to Provide Americans for FACE SAVING”— mind you all Indians this is an UTMOST REQUIRED EXIT as their Economy has been touching Bailed Out System in current Financial Year just of this WaT so in constant manner War Action of Americans with Afghanistan & Pakistan — this War against Terror is breaking their back bone anyway in short through out this imposed War Against Terror worked with Americans Pakistani Army Posed as if they were suppose to Duffer & Dumb & only Americans, Brits, Israelis & Indians the combination of Smart & Far Sighted People as they propagandize in their Electronic Media the Jews, Indians & the Westerners are Smart & Far Sighted only & the Pakistani Army is just a follower of these bunch of Stupid in other words Just Smart-alecky people rather Pakistani Army, Military Intelligence/MI or ISI posed Blind as per followed Youtube Link — specially regarding to these Pakistani ISI officials who pretended always with innocence as if they only watch the Horrible Consequences of War Against Terror with the glasses of Made in America only but in actual terms they are Trend Setters as they have been trend setting now-a-days upon the humble request of Red White & Blue Countries to Negotiate even with their own Deadly Hatred persons namely by the way — now who have been turned status wise in-to honorable Mullah Umar & Haqqani Network.

    The actual Blind Man who was in Toilet = Taliban — as Taliban have been fighting with Americans & Nato Forces Just Blindly & His Companion another person who posed himself as Blind i.e. Pakistani Intelligence Agencies (ISI & MI) — The thief Girl = America who came here-at South Asia just for plundered the Caspian Oil of Central Asian Countries Oil & Gas Resources worth Amount 49.00 Trillion US$ but caught red handed by Taliban, Pakistani ISI & MI.

    Somalia Mein Bhee Alqaida Nay Qadam Jama Hee Liyaiy-
    America-o-Britannia Wahan Say Dom Daba Kur Bhag Liyaiy-
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/world/2009/12/091203_somalia_attack.shtml

  3. 3 Observer February 16, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    The story in the West is that NOW Pakistan is cooperating (collaborating), and why not? As you already have mentioned it the ISI and CIA work hand in glove. There is nothing like Afghan Taliban or Pakistan Taliban. It’s all about money. As long as the many prostitutes (agencies, politicians, army and NGO’s) are paid they will carry out any task. It’s only a question about how cheap they sell themselves.

    It is OBVIOUS that ONLY a very BLOODY REVOLUTION can save Pakistan!

  4. 4 nota February 18, 2010 at 1:27 am

    Please see the ‘update’ above….

  5. 5 nota February 19, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Looks like I am not the only one questioning these “arrests”…
    Questions swirling about arrest of Taliban mullahs

    Analysts discuss theories about possible links between the arrests and ongoing reconciliation talks
    It’s a tale of two theories. Was a top Taliban commander arrested in Pakistan last week because of the threat he posed on the battlefield, or because of his potential role in reconciliation talks between the Taliban and Afghan government? The arrest of Taliban second-in-command Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar has been shrouded in secrecy since it was revealed earlier this week, raising suspicion about the nature of the ongoing interrogation of Mullah Baradar.

    On Thursday, it was revealed that Mullah Abdul Salam, the Taliban’s shadow governor in Kunduz province, and Mullah Mohammed, the shadow governor of Baghlan province, were arrested two weeks ago in Pakistan.

    Questions are now swirling about any link between the arrests and ongoing reconciliation talks. Have the three been taken into custody to speed up reconciliation? Have the Pakistanis arrested them to assert their authority over ongoing talks and in the region? Or are these more plainly the arrests of high-profile militants that will pay dividends on the battlefield? …

  6. 6 nota February 21, 2010 at 8:30 am

    This TimesOnline article further adds fuel to my theory. It even suggests:

    1. Baradar was not hiding somewhere but traveling freely to countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in his role “to find a way for reconciliation.” (It follows he was in contact with AND meeting Pakistani officials frequently and was not hiding in a cave somewhere)

    2. The arrest was ‘made’ because they [US] “want to wreck talks”, as Karzai himself put it (This further proves Baradar WAS involved in the talks)

    3. Pakistan “arrested” him under US pressure, with US blocking the ‘aid’ money to pressure ‘bankrupt’ Pakistan to do their bidding (“Islamabad’s motive may be financial. Pakistan is bankrupt and the US had blocked $1.3 billion (£840m) of aid because of a dispute over a refusal to grant visas to American security officials. The first $349m tranche of this will be released next week following Baradar’s arrest.”) So that “auditors’ visa issue” was used as a cover. Of course the “visa issue” has been “solved” and hence the reminder from Gilani “Oh pretty please!”. 😉

    Full article:
    Mullah’s arrest is ‘own goal’ for US

    • 7 nota February 21, 2010 at 11:13 am

      P.S. And is this another sacrificial offering: 30 militants killed as PAF fighter jets pound suspected positions

      Isn’t it interesting that while the “positions” are described as “suspect” STILL, ALL the dead are labeled “militants”!

      RE: PAF
      Below is an article I wrote some 18 months ago:

      General Kiyani’s Handicap

      Much has been made of the recent statement by General Kiyani about stopping US attacks on Pakistani territory. Yesterday it was reported PAF jets have started flights over North Waziristan suggesting Pakistan was ready to strike back at US forces. But is it really the case? If we look back at the recent F-16 deal, it appears there is no such possibility and these F-16 flights are just for public consumption.

      The most important thing to look at is the “unprecedented” conditions attached by U.S. to the sale of F-16s to Pakistan. These include, among others, “a US (personnel’s) presence at Pakistani bases for very stringent monitoring of these jet fighters (for about 30 years).” In addition, these F-16s

      – will be unable to operate in a heavily defended air space of another country (read: India, Afghanistan)

      – will only be able to fly for a limited duration in a foreign country’s air space

      – will be only able to fly missions approved by the U.S.

      – will be unable to carry atomic weapons

      would not have electronic warfare (EW) programming capabilities for their radar warning receiver (RWR). This means that these aircraft will have a pre-installed threat library and its RWR will only be able to identify non-NATO aircraft (meaning they can’t even see the U.S./NATO aircraft; same has to be true in case of the helicopter gunships possessed by Pakistan)

      “A further disturbing revelation is the remark by senior US official John Hillen that the United States wanted to have access and influence in Pakistan and other similar nations through this strategic and military-to-military relationship precisely to prevent China from having that kind of relationship.” Also by signing this $5 billion plus deal, U.S. effectively prevented Pakistan from purchasing the Mirage fighters as this deal took care of all the money.

      The conditions imposed as mentioned above are only those that have been made public. It should also be pointed out that the F-16s can be shut down anytime by transmitting a simple message to them.

      Looking at these conditions it becomes clear that the F-16s were never intended for purposes sold to the public but to attack “militants” locally in the “war on terror”. That fact can be confirmed from yesterday’s report on the “Defeating al Qaeda’s Air Force: Pakistan’s F-16 Program in the Fight Against Terrorism” hearings (al Qaeda’s Air Force?) Also note the statement proudly made by Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed at the start of the delivery of these F-16s:

      These are exceptionally used aircraft and are being given to us at very nominal prices,” meaning they are essentially pieces of flying junk.

      An interesting editorial to read on the F-16 affair is that by former ambassador Javid Husain on Implications of the F-16 deal.

      And here is the F-16 deal from the horse’s mouth itself
      PROPOSED SALE OF F–16 AIRCRAFT AND WEAPONS SYSTEMS OF PAKISTAN HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS, SECOND SESSION, JULY 20, 2006

      Wonder what happened to “Pakistan orders troops to repel U.S. raids”:

      …“The orders are clear,” Abbas said in an interview. “In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire.”…

  7. 8 Project Humanbeingsfirst.org February 21, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Hi – is it just me who uses political theory, especially hegelian dialectic, to evaluate all current affairs?

    If “islamofascism” is a fabricated enemy, then what is all this erudite discussion of gibberish reports of this and that mullah/mastermind being captured, killed, bombed, whatever?

    A significant insight is to be gained by reading Mein Kampf and studying Hitler. This is why hectoring hegemonds also do so at the Rand Corporation (as Daniel Elsberg once noted to me in a conversation at an anti-war teachin talk).

    And what is that political science insight pertinent to this topic of fabricating enemies to justify one’s own agenda in the pretext of fighting the manufacture enemy?

    Even though Hitler had such diabolical doctrinal geniuses to assist him in propaganda for his quest for Lebensraum – like Rudolph Hess (who shared his prison cell and is thought by many to be the real mind behind Mein Kampf), Dr. Goebbells (the Reichsminister for Propaganda who understood the big lie better than most anyone of his time), Dr. Alfred Rosenberg (the Party Philosopher who understood the ‘chosen people’ concept and taught a few things to the new Nazis in Zionistan), just to name the top most diabolical minds – he realized that without real hard acts and actors on stage, mere psychological propaganda can go only so far in conditioning the public mind. It needed a real fabricated enemy with real dead bodies. This was the political science behind Operation Canned Goods.

    It is the same political science behind 911, and its attribution to Al-Qaeeda, Taliban, Bin Laden, Islamofascism, militant Islam, Islamis, and all this Mullah Baradari crap!

    Your coverage above my friend, citing this and that report, implies that this Mullah has an existence of his own, that it is a real leader of a real enemey brigade which has been captured – and not complex patsies fabricated to create some diabolical substance for the propaganda machine. Instead of focussing on the katputli tamasha, focus on the forces behind the puppetshow. There is only one DNA – it leads to a million different colored leaves! But I think you know this already.

    Zahir Ebrahim
    Project Humanbeingsfirst.org

  8. 9 nota February 22, 2010 at 11:39 am

    “Is it just me who uses political theory, especially hegelian dialectic, to evaluate all current affairs?”

    Maybe it is because ‘political theory’ is a luxury few can afford when a boot is stamping on one’s face -— constantly! 😉

    “Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis.” — Ralph Waldo Emerson, ‘Journals,’ 1836

    • 10 Project Humanbeingsfirst.org March 29, 2010 at 3:04 am

      Screaming does not diagnose the pain – but indeed does let others know that one is in pain! Sort of obvious.

      But cliches don’t determine “imperial mobilization”. Political science, and engineering of consent/dissent, do.

      Thought that was obvious too.

      But you are right of course, as always – we don’t have time to analyze events because the katputli tamashas consume us all. This is why puppetshows tend to work all the time – with educated aunties and uncles alike.

      Maase museebte can scream all she wants… and perhaps the real antidote for the boot stomped on the human face, is indeed for all to scream in unison?

      My take on this is to not get wrapped up in screaming but to focus on dismantling axioms. This entire taliban axiom is fabricated – what’s the point of unwrapping the puppetshow while leaving the axiom intact to continually create new shows?

      Zahir Ebrahim
      Project Humanbeingsfirst.org

  9. 11 nota March 21, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Just added an update (#2)…


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